Curse

Mekkakat · Aug 03, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Divine and Prot all the way, minor runes in both with a headpiece for prot, you know the energy sets by now.. you'll need enchanting..

Rev of Fortune
Sig of Devotion
Deny Hexes
Dismiss Condition
Spirit Bond
Aura of Faith
op (i use Balths Spirit)
op (i use GolE)

just apply aura as much as you want before the match, then try your best to kinda keep it up... its not hard with 60+second last.. spirit bond for spikes, you get north of 130 hp a heal from it, and so on..
go nuts, i just scored mad glad points with it..

Div · Aug 06, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

So um...you have no self defense and what happens if they strip aura of faith?

Stormlord Alex · Aug 06, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Enchant stripping? In RA? Heresy!

Mekkakat · Aug 07, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

no defense? spirit bond isnt defense? lol..

anyhow.. what if ANYONE rips ANYTHING to ANYONE using enchants? its called a cover enchant, timing, and practice, if someone's build to shred enchanters, most protters are dead anyway. i've fought corrupters and made aura work with aplomb before..

Div · Aug 07, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

This is a PvE forum, and RA is not PvE. If you're brave enough, go post this build in the Gladiator's arena (PvP) section and see what kind of responses you get. But then you'll find out your build fails miserably...

I won't even bother to explain why it fails, because apparently you don't get it. If you don't trust me that it fails, post it in Gladiator's arena and we'll see about it

Mekkakat · Aug 07, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

i never talked about RA, i said "match", and i know what forum this is, it works even better in PvE. if all you can do is bash something without trying it, testing, or even explaining yourself, dont talk at all, cause you look like a scrub. its a fun build, and something DIFFERENT, lets see something you've come up with and we'll talk... you probably run something retarded like SoR..

ca_aok · Aug 07, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

ROFL @ SoR being "retarded".

The main reason Aura fails is because it's Healer's Boon for a single target only... using it with Spirit Bond is a novel idea, certainly, but I'd still say there are better things you could be doing with your elite slot in a prot build... your job is to prevent damage, not outheal it.

Snow Bunny · Aug 07, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekkakat

i never talked about RA, i said "match", and i know what forum this is, it works even better in PvE. if all you can do is bash something without trying it, testing, or even explaining yourself, dont talk at all, cause you look like a scrub. its a fun build, and something DIFFERENT, lets see something you've come up with and we'll talk... you probably run something retarded like SoR..

SoR is retarded?
Aura of Faith is good?

Waaaaaiiiiit up.

Masamune, Alex....this is a monk version of the N/W Survivor build with soul leech! Woot!

So...when you post a build, pve/pvp regardless, and you get negative feedback, you ignorantly flame someone who's a. respectable b. knowledgeable?

GG. I'm sure when you say "Glad" you mean "Sunspear", but don't worry.

Melandru's Resilience and SoR are excellent choices for TA/RA and easily are superior to this.
Aura of Faith doesn't stand up very well....
SoR is excellent for patching up an ally that needs it, and allows you to concentrate on the others in your party. It's certainly viable for 4v4 action. And skills like Guardian are pretty nice too.

Edit: I was a bit harsh in my initial entry. I toned myself down a bit

Stormlord Alex · Aug 07, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Masamune, Alex....this is a monk version of the N/W Survivor build with soul leech! Woot!

No wai!
That was a truly horrendous showing of human stupidity... I wonder whether Moko got round to kicking his ass?

On-topic: Sorry about assuming it was RA, but... well... you *did* mention Glad points.

Div · Aug 07, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Ok, to be fair, this is probably the OP's first time posting an original build, which is why he's making a big deal out of it being original, so I shouldn't be so harsh.

Let me explain my thoughts on this build more clearly, and see if you'll agree.

First, what I mean by defense is something like defensive stance, return, or dark escape. It allows for damage mitigation, which along with kiting is very important in any place, regardless of PvE or PvP. You mentioned glad points, so I'll assume it's RA. Spirit bond is great, but it does nothing against that dragon slash warrior pumping out 30-50 damage hits at you at a rapid pace.

Second, your healing relies too much on aura of faith. Sure, if I run a monk build, you can strip my prot spirit and I'll cry for a bit, but that won't break me. Stripping AoF will greatly reduce your healing power, and since this is a prot build healing is already lacking.

Third, you have no active small prots in that build if you decide to take GoLE and Balth spirit for your two optional skills. That would further decrease your ability to mitigate damage. Guardian, SoA, and SH are all great choices that would make the build less weak.

Dismiss condition is a good choice here because of all the enchantments you're throwing around, and you can use it like a gift of health. Good synergy of SB and AoF too.

The biggest things you will run into in RA (that monks generally have trouble with) is physical damage overload and hexes overload. This build could definitely use a defensive skill and small prots as mentioned above for physical damage overload, and as for hexes, you generally have to heal through it, which this build lacks too.

The biggest things in HM PvE is the massive AoE damage on your team that you have to heal back up. It's hard to maintain AoF on the entire party of 8, and prot spirit is definitely the better choice here for damage mitigation.

I won't talk about my qualifications here, but I assure you that I have more than enough monking experience (especially when compared to the other guru users) to critique and give comments on your build.

Mekkakat · Aug 08, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Ok, to be fair, this is probably the OP's first time posting an original build, which is why he's making a big deal out of it being original, so I shouldn't be so harsh.

really cute, obviously trying to boost the e-peen again with this blatant attack on me for no apparent reason. i'm not even going to acknowledge this by trying to explain where he fails at embarrassing me or whatever, but your little status on this forums, paired with your ever-expanding ego amuses me.
i could care less where your "background" comes from, learn some damn manors.

second, i apologize for going off topic saying "glad points" because i was merely stating that i tested the build in some easier HM missions, and in RA, in which both i faced enchant stripping, and still managed 10 wins/completion of the mission with no deaths. its not the BEST build, no one said that, and in fact, ALL i said was, "the build is working really well for me". you think idk that aura is pretty much crappy compared to ZB, Divert, and some of the other ace elites? geeze, just trying to be creativ... oh wait, this is build wars, my bad, i forgot you're only 1337 if you can copy someone else's build.

regardless, the build isn't great, never was, but its fun, different, and easy to learn for someone who hasn't monked much.

moriz · Aug 08, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekkakat

really cute, obviously trying to boost the e-peen again with this blatant attack on me for no apparent reason. i'm not even going to acknowledge this by trying to explain where he fails at embarrassing me or whatever, but your little status on this forums, paired with your ever-expanding ego amuses me.
i could care less where your "background" comes from, learn some damn manors.

umm.... there's no need to be super defensive about everything.... you don't have to take a swing at everyone you see. he's trying to help.

but you can be rude and obnoxious if you want. the only difference between a nub and a pro is that the nub will manage to sound stupid as well as obnoxious, while the pro is obnoxious but painfully right.

Mekkakat · Aug 08, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

where did i "take a swing at everyone i saw"? i was talking about holy, Jesus.

l Artemis Entreri l · Aug 08, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

...pro is short for "professional". Professional –adjective 1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

to break that even smaller for you; it means that someone would have a job playing guild wars and getting payed. I don't know anyone besides the A'net staff taht gets to play it and get payed.

Snow Bunny · Aug 08, 2007, 07:14 AM // 07:14

Regardless.

The build is bad.
OP responded poorly to negative criticism, then responded even more negatively at a good attempt to excuse the build.
You also flamed a very intelligent and thoughtful contributor to this forum in the process.

GG.
This thread failed from inception.

moko · Aug 08, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

original, has a working concept. (as far as it looks; don't have time to test really)

ps he's right to say that SoR is retarded.

i'd take mtouch or soa for the optional in b.spirit slot, though.

ender6 · Aug 08, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by l Artemis Entreri l

...pro is short for "professional". Professional –adjective 1. following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

to break that even smaller for you; it means that someone would have a job playing guild wars and getting payed. I don't know anyone besides the A'net staff taht gets to play it and get payed.

LOL -- you looked up the definition of professional and then failed to spell "payed" correctly. Incidentally I believe "pro" is strictly being used to infer that the person is an expert. (aka slang -- i'll let you look that one up at your leisure)

As for the OP, it's not too hard to get 10 wins in a row in RA considering it is Random Areans by name which means that several random factors can contribute to a win streak. For example, having excellent teammates, or perhaps having sub par opponents. To be a bit more constructive though, the biggest failure I see regarding this build (in the sense of PvP) is spiritbond fails against a steady stream low to mid range damage. Not to mention the more or less wasted elite spot when compared with other options available to you. I however will say that I am sure this would have more success in high end PvE areas espicially if comingled with a cover enchant, Gaurdian comes to mind, or holy veil.

Of course by now I am almost certain you have your blinders on and are unphased by constructive criticism.

Mekkakat · Aug 08, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

another accusation anyone?

no, i don't have "blinders" on ender, i read every post, and i already knew where my flaws with the build was, its not perfect, but it worked for me. as far as the "glad points" go, those were in TA, i only got 1 point in RA, whereas i made 2 in TA, then i just stopped testing altogether anyhow, and i played with it in some of the more excited HM missions.. then i got bored playing monk, and played my warrior and sin lol..

anyhow, you can swap out skills for whatever suits you for the situation, i love spirit bond, but thats just me. i use SoA in RA/TA, and for pve i love balths or even channeling for easier play.

Div · Aug 08, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

I made a completely constructive post discussing the strengths and weaknesses of your build, and all you do is attack me without even responding to your build?

The only reason why I talked about my background was because you directly attacked me in calling me a scrub and implying I have no ability to cover enchant or time things.

Since you're not even going to talk about my comments to your build and instead just wants to flame me, then I'll tell you this. You'll never be a good player and will always play second-class subpar "fun" builds because you can't take any kind of criticism.

If you're posting this as a TA build, then you should explain the other three characters in the build, because it's just like posting one character build from an HA or GvG group, pretty limited.

Given your attitude, you're probably just going to pick one line from this post and attack it, but now that I said it, maybe you'll actually respond to my constructive criticism of your build?

And as for the definition of pro, directly from dictionary.com:

12. an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.

4. Having or showing great skill; expert

Quote:

lets see something you've come up with and we'll talk... you probably run something retarded like SoR..

I was one of the first ones to run the MR build (long before that skill was buffed insanely to the state it's in right now). It started out as a concept build from when I got sick of running WoH in PvE, and look at where it's at now?

Mekkakat · Aug 09, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

lol you sound affuly defensive saying i called you a "scrub" because i simply said timing is everything in a game like Guild Wars. i specifically said that the build doesn't feature a powerhouse elite, its got decent damage migitation, and has even more when you put in things like SoA, SH, or even more healing power with GoH, by utilizing the option slots, so where i didn't "discuss the strengths and weaknesses of my build" lies, is again, failed on your part, seeing as i openly admitted the build was sub-par, and more or less a casual build that, and again, "worked for me".

lol and you call me defensive? you throw a hissy fit when your ego's on the line? what a crybaby.